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I just put on the TV to watch my beloved Seinfeld and noticed Judge Judy was on on another channel. This amused me slightly as earlier today I noticed people discussing that awful show Carnivale on an LJ community I frequent. The reason this amuses me is because both shows feature celebrities I absolutely cannot STAND.

Judge Judy is a horrific human being who I hated SO MUCH as a teenager (I was in high school when her show was popular) that I actually had a dream where I beat her up. Yup, slammed her into a fence, punched her in the face, got her down on the ground and completely fucked her up. The dream surprised the hell outta me, but it was a pretty cool dream. Though it makes sense I would have a dream like that at the age of 16, I guess!

As for stupid Carnivale, one of that main stars of it, Clea Duval, PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH. It's just her face. I hate her face. A lot. She is hideous. How does someone with her ugly mug get on TV and the movies?


FIX YOUR FUCKING FACE, OMG.

My first experience with her was in The Craft. Remember that movie? It was about 3 hot teenage girls who were witches, and her.

And then there's Anna Paquin, who looks like she's bit hit in the face with a shovel. UGH, YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, FIX YOUR FUCKING TEETH. Ugghhhhhhhhhh. It sucks that she plays the MAIN CHARACTER of one of my favourite shows (True Blood) but at least there's enough other awesome people on the show so that I can concentrate on them and ignore her. :P

What celebrities drive *YOU* mad, simply because of their annoying FACES? Or because of their atrocious attitude (Judge Judy has 2 strikes against her there, lol). Tell me, I'm curious! BUT! I'm not interested in reading about the popular stars to hate--ie, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga*, the Kardashians, Snookie, etc etc...I get it, everyone hates them, everyone's sick of them, etc. No no, I want to hear about the stars whose ugly faces make you wonder how the fuck they got in the business in the first place and/or have shitty attitudes who aren't already bashed to death every single day on the internet.

Oh yeah, and I know everyone likes to fap over how ~amazing~ Carnivale was but that show nearly put me to sleep and I'm sick and tired of everyone being all, "OMG you hated that show? Really??!" so if you were gonna comment to moan about that, save it. :P

*Personally I think you're insane if you hate her, but that's neither here nor there in this discussion. ;)

Date: 2011-11-13 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bee-york.livejournal.com
Hmmm I've never seen any of those movies but I've heard of them! Juno's supposed to be really bad. Everyone says it's a hipster movie, or something. I dunno, I guess I'll have to check it out for myself someday!

United States of Tara sounds soooo familiar! And Jennifer's Body is that Megan Fox movie, right?

Date: 2011-11-13 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostsailors.livejournal.com
Hipster movie would be about right. It was just the dialogue I found really insufferable. United States is the one with Toni Collette- I'm not sure what channel it's on. I'm not even sure I know anyone who watches it (I certainly don't). Google tells me it was canceled this year. And yes, that's Jennifer's Body. I was annoyed with DC at the time because she was writing for EW at the time and I talked about her idea about using and empowering a female lead like it had NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE in genre, which is patently untrue. Horror has a pretty long standing tradition using strong female leads (never mind I don't consider a succubus character really empowering?) and just in general, genre films brought us famous female characters like Ellen Ripley- so wtf was she talking about, I don't know.

Date: 2011-11-14 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bee-york.livejournal.com
Hmmm, kind of OT, but reminds me: strong female leads (and what I consider to be an actual empowering female character VS what Hollywood *claims* to be an empowering female character but is actually an objectified ~man fantasy~) is actually a post I've been planning to write! It's just something that's been on my mind a lot lately. :)

Date: 2011-11-14 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostsailors.livejournal.com
I would love to read this! This is one of my favourite topics as well. I like to call it the "strong character, female" vs "strong female, character" problem. Where Hollywood (and others) equate physical strength with depth of character. A strong female character doesn't have to be able to kick your ass! She could be like Helen Mirren in "The Queen" or Vera Drake or hell, Shannon in LOST. People think in that case because she was a vapid bimbo that she wasn't a strong character. WRONG. A strong character means you could cover their names on a script, and still pick out their lines because their voice is that unique. I'm not saying she was the deepest character or whatever, but her voice was undeniable, you always knew her voice. You always knew what she might wear or the type of choices she might make. THAT is a strong female character.

Here (http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/18/why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/) is one of my favourite articles about the phenom!

Date: 2011-11-15 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bee-york.livejournal.com
Omg, your comment here is amazing! You described a strong female lead SO WELL. Amen about the kicking-ass thing; that's actually the biggest problem about strong females. Some dellusional men think that people like Lara Croft or the chicks from Sucker Punch are strong female characters. LMAO NO THEY'RE NOT. Not even close. They're some of the best examples of walking sex objects, nothing more. Le sigh...

I LOVE what you wrote about Shannon. I never thought of it that way, and I agree, she's a pretty good example of a stong female character. =) I LOVE what you said here:

I like to call it the "strong character, female" vs "strong female, character" problem.

SOOOOOO well-put. That sums up so much right there. <3

Date: 2011-11-18 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostsailors.livejournal.com
Yesssssss. The worst is when people argue you don't like a character because she's too sexual. NO. You CAN be a physically strong kick ass character AND be a good female character. You CAN be hyper sexual or sexy, and be a good female character. Just the CHANCES of all of this happening in mainstream Hollywood films is like nil.

I had that argument about Shannon SO MANY TIMES during LOST. Kate was one of my least favourite characters because she hits like every "strong female, character" trope and is almost 100% defined by the men around her. They gave her a tilde kind of tilde plot with Aaron- but it always felt really hamfisted to me. People would say I just didn't like her because she was a female and it was like- whaa? SUN was my favourite Lostie character before she was ruined. Before Ben, ROUSSEAU was my favourite character period. That first season was filled with amazing female characters, of which Shannon was wrong. Just because a girl is an airhead, doesn't mean she isn't a strong character- look at all the famous valley girls from Buffy and Clueless!

I think that little quotation, "strong character, female" came from that article- but if it didn't, I can't remember where I read it but I have used that SO MANY TIMES in life. It's such a wonderful, succinct statement!

Date: 2011-11-18 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bee-york.livejournal.com
Kate...is almost 100% defined by the men around her.

Omg. I like Kate, but you are SO RIGHT. I never really realized that, but you really hit the nail on the head there. That's a pretty accurate description of her, now that I think about it!

People would say I just didn't like her because she was a female

Wth? People said this to you? o_O Man, people are weiiiiiird!

I really like the way you've described strong characters who are female. I really like your perspective and you've made me look at things a bit differently. I love it when that happens. :)

Date: 2011-11-18 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lostsailors.livejournal.com
WOW, that is seriously one of the nicest things anyone has said to me. I spend about 99% of my days feeling feckless and ineffectual like I don't know anything. It's kind of cool someone thinks anything I say about anything is interesting!

Date: 2011-11-18 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bee-york.livejournal.com
Awwwww. ;_; Well, it's true! <3

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